Transcript: Breakfast with Tim Shaw

SUBJECTS: Defence cyber security hack, NBN

SHAW: I'm happy to tell you that a beautiful 22 degree day is expected here in Canberra. But on Norfolk Island which is in the responsibilities of the Member for Canberra, they are expecting an 18 degree high, right now it feels like 15 degrees. I'm really pleased to say that Gai Brodtmann has found the time to talk to us this morning from Norfolk Island. Good morning Gai Brodtmann.

BRODTMANN: Good morning Tim.

SHAW: Shadow Assistant Minister for Cyber Security and Defence. I was at the Press Club listening to the Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Cyber Security, Dan Tehan. He handed down 'Silent Dangers' the launch of the Australian Cyber Security's Threat Report. But I tell you what, under threat. We hear in the Canberra Times today that hackers stole details on Defence projects including the Joint Strike Fighter. Are you surprised? Are you concerned? What is your reaction?

BRODTMANN: It was surprising to see those reports today and I'm concerned on a number of fronts. First is the mixed messaging in terms of the level of classification of the information that appears to have been breached. Also the fact that it appears there was a sub-sub-contractor working on this job. So it's vitally important not that sub-sub-contractors work on government work, I was a sub-sub-contractor in my former life. It's vitally important that anyone who is working for a government agency actually has the appropriate protections in place, that contracts have built in what is the Essential Eight, which are protections to ensure that they are cyber safe.

SHAW: It's an important point because the Australian Signals Directorate and another agency arrived at this point, where this hacking took place. It's quite ironic because they didn't have any identification to identify themselves as agents of government. But the Federal Government says today that they have emphasised that the information that was hacked was commercially sensitive but not classified. Do you believe them?

BRODTMANN: That's what we want clarification on. We've seen unclassified in some reports, we've seen commercially sensitive, and classified in others. So we'll be calling on the government to come clean on what terms of classification of the data was breached. As you said Tim it's vitally important that anyone who is contracting to a government agency does have those appropriate cyber protections in place. The reports today also highlight that there is a significant under resourcing challenge in ASD. I know through my countless meetings on cyber security that is a concern in the community, and the fact that the ASD is really under the pump on the cyber security issue.

SHAW: Something that we're really under the pump with, something that you've been championing is called the National Broadband Network. It was a Labor Government that commissioned the building of a National Broadband Network, now you've been chasing people for their speeds. I spoke briefly with Rod Simms the ACCC Commissioner when he was at the National Press Club.

Here is the problem I want you to clarify for us. Up to 100 megabytes per second is what the NBN says they can offer, and yet the ISP the Internet Service Providers are selling a whole range of retail packages to you and I as the consumer. Are we being told the full truth about what kind of service guarantee we can expect? And should the finger pointing stop? Because billions of dollars is being invested in the NBN. Are we actually going to get a service that we can rely on here in Canberra?

BRODTMANN: There are a number of issues Tim. First up in terms of the providers, I was on the NBN Committee that did the twelve month review on the NBN rollout and this was a significant issue that emerged in the conversations with the communities. Service providers are saying one thing in terms of the speeds they are providing and the reality is completely different. As you know I'm advocating on this on a number of fronts. Firstly I advocated strongly for Canberra to be put on the rollout map, because parts of my electorate weren't even on the rollout map three or four months ago. Now that we are on the rollout map the concerns I have is that areas are under served, particularly in parts of South East Tuggeranong where they are getting less than one megabit per second download and upload. 

I am concerned that those areas are not prioritised, and the rollout is not going to happen for them until late 2018, 2019 or even 2020. This is having a significant effect Tim on their ability to engage in educational opportunities because kids can't do their homework from home as they can't get the speeds to download it. Businesses can't actually work from home, they have to go and hire office space because the speeds are so appalling. We've got people who can't engage in what I call active citizenry. I am on the campaign to get those areas prioritised because what the NBN Committee highlighted during the consultation process is that the current priority is on the areas that already have the TRANSACT Network, so areas outside of that are on the rollout map for 2018, 2019 and 2020. I want those areas in Canberra prioritised, I'm also pushing that we don't have a patchwork of technologies. Fibre to the curb as a minimum, ideally fibre to the premises. 

Because with the rollout map we've got some streets with fibre to the node in one house, fibre to the curb in another and fibre to the premises in another. I want an even service, the best service available for Canberrans.

SHAW: Absolutely, safe travels Gai and we look forward to seeing you in the studio soon.

BRODTMANN: Thanks Tim.

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